Previous Sittings

Order Paper and Notice Paper

Previous Sittings

Journals of the Senate

Previous Sittings

Debates of the Senate (Hansard)

47 Elizabeth II, A.D. 1998, Canada

Journals of the Senate

Issue 75

Wednesday, June 17, 1998
1:30 p.m.

The Honourable Gildas L. Molgat, Speaker

The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

Adams, Atkins, Bacon, Beaudoin, Berntson, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Butts, Callbeck, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Cochrane, Cohen, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, DeWare, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Fitzpatrick, Forest, Forrestall, Gauthier, Ghitter, Gigantès, Grafstein, Graham, Grimard, Gustafson, Hays, Hébert, Hervieux-Payette, Johnson, Johnstone, Joyal, Kelleher, Kelly, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, Lavoie-Roux , Lawson, LeBreton, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Lucier, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Maloney, Meighen, Mercier, Milne, Molgat, Moore, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Perrault, Phillips, Pitfield, Poulin, Prud'homme, Rivest, Roberge, Robichaud, (L'Acadie-Acadia), Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Rompkey, Rossiter, Ruck, St. Germain, Simard, Sparrow, Stewart, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt, Wilson

PRAYERS

SENATORS' STATEMENTS

Some Honourable Senators made statements.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees

The Honourable Senator Kirby, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce, presented its Thirteenth Report (Bill C-47, An Act to amend the Parliament of Canada Act, the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and the Salaries Act) without amendment.

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kirby, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a third reading at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted. The Honourable Senator Watt presented the following:

WEDNESDAY, June 17, 1998

The Standing Senate Committee on Aboriginal Peoples has the honour to present its

SIXTH REPORT

Your Committee, to which was referred the Bill C-6, an Act to provide for an integrated system of land and water management in the Mackenzie Valley, to establish certain boards for that purpose and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, has, in obedience to the Order of Reference of June 16, 1998, heard the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development.

Respectfully submitted,

CHARLIE WATT

Chair

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Watt, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a third reading at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted. The Honourable Senator Watt, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Aboriginal Peoples, presented its Seventh Report (Bill C-30, An Act respecting the powers of the Mi'Kmaq of Nova Scotia in relation to education) without amendment.

The Honourable Senator Butts moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Watt, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a third reading at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Reading of Petitions for Private Bills

The First Report of the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills was tabled (Sessional Paper No. 1/36-650S) and reads as follows:-

WEDNESDAY, June 17, 1998

Pursuant to Rule 107(2), the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to present his

FIRST REPORT

Your Examiner has duly examined the following petition and finds that the requirements of the Rules of the Senate have been complied with in all material respects:-

Of The Canadian Manufacturers' Association, of the City of Etobicoke, in the Province of Ontario; praying for the passage of an Act respecting the Alliance of Manufacturers & Exporters Canada.

Respectfully submitted,

GARY W. O'BRIEN

Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills

The following petition was read and received:-

Of The Canadian Manufacturers' Association, of the City of Etobicoke, in the Province of Ontario; praying for the passage of an Act respecting the Alliance of Manufacturers & Exporters Canada.

Introduction and First Reading of Private Bills

The Honourable Senator Kelleher, P.C., presented a Bill S-18, An Act respecting the Alliance of Manufacturers & Exporters Canada.

The Bill was read the first time.

With leave of the Senate, The Honourable Senator Kelleher, P.C. moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator St. Germain, P.C., that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Notices of Motions

With leave of the Senate, The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Phillips:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology have power to sit at 3:30 p.m. today even though the Senate may then be sitting, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

With leave of the Senate, The Honourable Senator Milne moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Butts:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs have power to sit at 3:30 p.m., today even though the Senate may then be sitting, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

With leave of the Senate, The Honourable Senator Poulin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Losier-Cool:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications have power to sit at 3:30 p.m. today even though the Senate may then be sitting, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

Bills

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Bryden, seconded by the Honourable Senator Pearson, for the third reading of Bill C-36, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 24, 1998.

After debate, In amendment, the Honourable Senator Bolduc moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kinsella, that the Bill be not now read the third time but that it be amended in clause 29, on page 15,

(a) by replacing line 7 with the following:

"(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), where a provincial minister gives three months notice to the Foundation of the minister's intention that this subsection apply to the particular province, the Foundation shall

(a) allocate, based on demographics, an amount from out of its funds, for each fiscal year of the Foundation, for scholarships to be granted to residents of the province and advise the provincial minister of the amount so allocated;

(b) adopt the criteria for the determination of financial need and merit proposed by the provincial minister to the Foundation; and

(c) grant, subject to the provisions of this Act, scholarships to the residents of the province who the provincial minister determines are qualified to receive a scholarship from the Foundation under the criteria proposed and adopted in paragraph (b).

(3) In entering into an agreement under subsection (1) or in administering an arrangement under subsection (2), the".

(b) by renumbering subsection (3) as subsection (4), and any cross-references thereto accordingly.

After debate, With leave of the Senate, In amendment, the Honourable Senator Bolduc moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rivest, that the Bill be not now read the third time but that it be amended in clause 133, on page 79, by replacing line 35 with the following:

"133. (1) Sections 2 to 46 come into force on the day that is three months after the day on which this Act is assented to.

(2) Sections 127 to 132 come into force".

After debate, The question being put on the motion in amendment, it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS

The Honourable Senators

Atkins, Beaudoin, Berntson, Bolduc, Buchanan, Cochrane, Cohen, Comeau, DeWare, Di Nino, Doody, Forrestall, Ghitter, Grimard, Gustafson, Johnson, Kelleher, Kelly, Keon, Kinsella, Lavoie-Roux, LeBreton, Lynch-Staunton, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Phillips, Rivest, Roberge, Rossiter, St. Germain, Simard, Stratton, Tkachuk-34

NAYS

The Honourable Senators

Adams, Bacon, Bryden, Butts, Callbeck, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Fitzpatrick, Forest, Gigantès, Grafstein, Graham, Hays, Hébert, Hervieux-Payette, Johnstone, Joyal, Kenny, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, Lawson, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Maheu, Mahovlich, Maloney, Mercier, Milne, Moore, Pearson, Pépin, Perrault, Poulin, Robichaud, (L'Acadie-Acadia), Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Rompkey, Ruck, Sparrow, Stewart, Taylor, Watt, Wilson-48

ABSTENTIONS

The Honourable Senators

Prud'homme-1

The question being put on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Bolduc, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kinsella, it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS

The Honourable Senators

NAYS

The Honourable Senators

ABSTENTIONS

The Honourable Senators

Prud'homme-1

The question then being put on the motion of the Honourable Senator Bryden, seconded by the Honourable Senator Pearson, for the third reading of Bill C-36, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 24, 1998, it was adopted on the following division:

YEAS

The Honourable Senators

Adams, Bacon, Bryden, Butts, Callbeck, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Fitzpatrick, Forest, Gigantès, Grafstein, Graham, Hays, Hébert, Hervieux-Payette, Johnstone, Joyal, Kenny, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, Lawson, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Maheu, Mahovlich, Maloney, Mercier, Milne, Moore, Pearson, Pépin, Perrault, Poulin, Prud'homme, Robichaud, (L'Acadie-Acadia), Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Rompkey, Ruck, Sparrow, Stewart, Taylor, Watt, Wilson-49

NAYS

The Honourable Senators

ABSTENTIONS

The Honourable Senators

Nil

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Ordered, That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate have passed this Bill, without amendment.

______________________________________

Ordered, That the following documents be tabled:

Speech notes of the Honourable Stéphane Dion, President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada and Minister of Inter-Governmental Affairs, entitled: "Ma praxis du fédéralisme", dated May 28, 1998. (French text)-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-651S.

Reference re Canada Assistance Plan ( B.C.), [1991] 2 S.C.R. 525 to 569, a Judgement of the Supreme Court of Canada.-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-652S.

______________________________________

With leave, The Senate reverted to Presentation of Reports From Standing or Special Committees.

Ordered, That the Sixth Report of the Standing Senate Committee on Aboriginal Peoples presented earlier this day be withdrawn, and the Order for the third reading of Bill C-6 be discharged.

The Honourable Senator Watt presented the following:

WEDNESDAY, June 17, 1998

The Standing Senate Committee on Aboriginal Peoples has the honour to present its

SIXTH REPORT

Respectfully submitted,

CHARLIE WATT

Chair

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Joyal, P.C., that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a third reading at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

Bills

Third reading of Bill C-45, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 1999.

The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Watt, that the Bill be read the third time.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Bill was then read the third time and passed.

Ordered, That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate have passed this Bill.

Third reading of Bill C-46, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 1999.

The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Chalifoux, that the Bill be read the third time.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Bill was then read the third time and passed.

Ordered, That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate have passed this Bill.

Order No. 4 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Order No. 5 was called and postponed until the next sitting in the name of the Honourable Senator Kelly.

Second reading of Bill C-38, An Act to amend the National Parks Act.

The Honourable Senator Butts moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Taylor, that the Bill be read the second time.

After debate, The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Bill was then read the second time.

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Butts, that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

______________________________________

Ordered, That Inquiry No. 34, standing in the name of the Honourable Senator Simard, and Inquiry No. 37, standing in the name of the Honourable Senator Grafstein, be brought forward.

INQUIRIES

The Honourable Senator Simard called the attention of the Senate to the current situation with regard to the application of the Official Languages Act, its progressive deterioration, the abdication of responsibility by a succession of governments over the past ten years and the loss of access to services in French for francophones outside Quebec.

After debate, The Honourable Senator Simard moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Berntson, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Grafstein called the attention of the Senate to the Thirty-ninth Annual Meeting of the Canada- United States Inter-Parliamentary Group, held in Nantucket in May, 1998.

After debate, The Honourable Senator Berntson for the Honourable Senator Buchanan, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Di Nino, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

______________________________________

Ordered, That all remaining Orders be postponed until the next sitting.

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Mercier:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

______________________________________

Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)

Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology

The names of the Honourable Senators Callbeck and Forest substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Grafstein and Perrault (June 16).

The names of the Honourable Senators Beaudoin, Maloney, Poulin and Stewart substituted for those of the Honourable Senators LeBreton, Ferretti Barth, Forest and Poulin (June 17).

Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce

The names of the Honourable Senators Bryden, Hervieux-Payette and Bryden substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Hervieux-Payette, Bryden and Callbeck (June 17).

Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs

The names of the Honourable Senators Doody, Lavoie-Roux, Bolduc and Buchanan substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Beaudoin, DeWare, Jessiman and Kinsella (June 17).

Journals of the Senate

47 Elizabeth II, A.D. 1998, Canada

Journals of the Senate

Issue 75

Wednesday, June 17, 19981:30 p.m.

The Honourable Gildas L. Molgat, Speaker

SENATORS' STATEMENTS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees

Reading of Petitions for Private Bills

Introduction and First Reading of Private Bills

Notices of Motions

ORDERS OF THE DAY

GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

Bills

ORDERS OF THE DAY

GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

Bills

INQUIRIES

ADJOURNMENT

Wednesday, June 17, 1998
1:30 p.m.